what makes a car 'vintage'? - The Vintage Racing League2024-03-29T10:47:19Zhttps://www.thevrl.com/forum/topics/1465153:Topic:34897?commentId=1465153%3AComment%3A55128&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhat is dangerous about a 917…tag:www.thevrl.com,2009-07-19:1465153:Comment:1305712009-07-19T02:52:57.391ZDon Haineshttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/DonHaines
What is dangerous about a 917/30? Would it simply blow up like a bomb? I mean, like a gun, it wont hurt anyone unless someone pulls the trigger. I was at Talladega when Mark set the closed course record. He was able to drive it safely through the pits and never hurt anyone. :-)<br />
So you can drive a slow or fast(up to you skill level) and have a blast. Nobody says you have to try to beat the original record set by the original racers.<br />
Even if you don't get a 917/30 there are a ton of cars out…
What is dangerous about a 917/30? Would it simply blow up like a bomb? I mean, like a gun, it wont hurt anyone unless someone pulls the trigger. I was at Talladega when Mark set the closed course record. He was able to drive it safely through the pits and never hurt anyone. :-)<br />
So you can drive a slow or fast(up to you skill level) and have a blast. Nobody says you have to try to beat the original record set by the original racers.<br />
Even if you don't get a 917/30 there are a ton of cars out there to play with.<br />
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But if you do get a 917(of any type) drop me a line and I'll be at your front door tomorrow for a chance to drive that sucker ;-) I agree. When SCCA allowed tu…tag:www.thevrl.com,2009-07-19:1465153:Comment:1305702009-07-19T02:45:39.634ZDon Haineshttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/DonHaines
I agree. When SCCA allowed tube frame cars, it ruined it for me as well. Back in '68 I bought a '66 Sting Ray from a used car dealer. I knew I was going to race it. I couldnt afford a new Corvette and had owned a 63 Sting Ray. I knew the car and how to "hot rod" it. I was able to drive it daily and make modificaitons as I had the money. I drove the car to SCCA drivers school in Conn. and Marlboro Raceway in MD. I drove the car to every regional race at Marlboro in '69 and won the B Prod…
I agree. When SCCA allowed tube frame cars, it ruined it for me as well. Back in '68 I bought a '66 Sting Ray from a used car dealer. I knew I was going to race it. I couldnt afford a new Corvette and had owned a 63 Sting Ray. I knew the car and how to "hot rod" it. I was able to drive it daily and make modificaitons as I had the money. I drove the car to SCCA drivers school in Conn. and Marlboro Raceway in MD. I drove the car to every regional race at Marlboro in '69 and won the B Prod regional championship. I only towed the car to Watkins Glen because I was afraid I might break something and wouldn't have a way home.<br />
I continued to upgrade the car and eventually ran it in the IMSA GT series. Of course by then it wasn't streetable. However, had I wanted to, I could have converted it back to the street. The newer cars could never be turned into street cars. And there isn't any class to build up a street car to run competitively in the upper SCCA classes, much less a pro series. I don't want to start somethi…tag:www.thevrl.com,2009-07-19:1465153:Comment:1305682009-07-19T02:27:33.791ZDon Haineshttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/DonHaines
I don't want to start something but.... So if I were to find my old SCCA B Production Sting Ray and restored it to FIA GTO homogation specs like I raced in IMSA GT series in the early '70s, that wouldn't be considered "vintage"? We were allowed to run quite a number of items that were not legal for SCCA as long as it was allowed by the FIA papers. We ran different carb,intake, electronic ignition, rear battery mount, angle plug heads, etc. So it would be true to the series. But would it still…
I don't want to start something but.... So if I were to find my old SCCA B Production Sting Ray and restored it to FIA GTO homogation specs like I raced in IMSA GT series in the early '70s, that wouldn't be considered "vintage"? We were allowed to run quite a number of items that were not legal for SCCA as long as it was allowed by the FIA papers. We ran different carb,intake, electronic ignition, rear battery mount, angle plug heads, etc. So it would be true to the series. But would it still be considered "vintage"? A true vintage car is one wit…tag:www.thevrl.com,2009-05-11:1465153:Comment:1183582009-05-11T23:41:28.976Zjim redmanhttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/jimredman
A true vintage car is one with a birth date after 1.1.1919 and before 31.12.1929. Prior to that they are veteran, and prior to that Edwardian. Quality & rare cars after 1929 are classics. Those dates will not change.
A true vintage car is one with a birth date after 1.1.1919 and before 31.12.1929. Prior to that they are veteran, and prior to that Edwardian. Quality & rare cars after 1929 are classics. Those dates will not change. If you're looking for a defin…tag:www.thevrl.com,2009-01-30:1465153:Comment:691122009-01-30T06:16:56.354ZNorm Sippelhttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/NormSippel
If you're looking for a definitive definition in your area, you have to look to your local vintage/historic race organization. For example, within the 27 member organizations of the VMC, they run from the VSCCA which only allows cars built prior to Dec. 31, 1959 (unless it is a 1960 or 1961 car that is virtually identical to what was built in Dec. '59.) to HSR that has classes for quite new cars that are no longer competitive in current racing.<br />
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In some classes, a car must have a "vintage"…
If you're looking for a definitive definition in your area, you have to look to your local vintage/historic race organization. For example, within the 27 member organizations of the VMC, they run from the VSCCA which only allows cars built prior to Dec. 31, 1959 (unless it is a 1960 or 1961 car that is virtually identical to what was built in Dec. '59.) to HSR that has classes for quite new cars that are no longer competitive in current racing.<br />
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In some classes, a car must have a "vintage" racing history to be allowed. It all depends on the rules of the organization. So, I suggest that you go to: v-m-c.org and explore. And, get to some races and talk to drivers. You'll have fun and learn a lot. I always find the USA useage…tag:www.thevrl.com,2009-01-11:1465153:Comment:552872009-01-11T08:37:26.356ZRussell Maddockhttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/RussellMaddock
I always find the USA useage of the term "vintage" a bit confusing because in Britain and the Commonwealth a vintage car is one built between 1919 and 1930.
I always find the USA useage of the term "vintage" a bit confusing because in Britain and the Commonwealth a vintage car is one built between 1919 and 1930. A 25 year old street car is c…tag:www.thevrl.com,2009-01-10:1465153:Comment:551282009-01-10T21:26:29.993ZBrian Findleyhttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/BrianFindley
A 25 year old street car is considered to be an antique for licensing purposes in most states. Why wouldn't a 25 year old race car be considered a vintage race car?<br />
As long as the cars are grouped together appropriately on the track, what difference does it really make? I don't think it makes any diffference, and those that want to exclude cars made after 1972 and before 1983 are missing an opportunity to increase memberships and expand grids with their respective organizations.<br />
I have even…
A 25 year old street car is considered to be an antique for licensing purposes in most states. Why wouldn't a 25 year old race car be considered a vintage race car?<br />
As long as the cars are grouped together appropriately on the track, what difference does it really make? I don't think it makes any diffference, and those that want to exclude cars made after 1972 and before 1983 are missing an opportunity to increase memberships and expand grids with their respective organizations.<br />
I have even heard ridiculous statements from one vintage group's officers that allowing newer cars will cause "development costs" to increase drastically, and thus shouldn't be allowed.<br />
I don't think anyone with a 25 year old race car is going to make a wind tunnel owner rich!<br />
The fact of the matter is that any out 25 year old car that is class specific (Formula Ford, Formula B/Atlantic, etc) and can no longer compete with modern cars should be allowed in vintage races.<br />
Maybe these hard core 1972 guys should not be allowed to "vintage race" cars that they own which are still competitive in SCCA races.-lol. Don, this is why vintage raci…tag:www.thevrl.com,2008-11-04:1465153:Comment:400492008-11-04T16:45:05.325ZRobert Metcalfhttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/RobertMetcalf
Don, this is why vintage racing clubs, and others, have different classes. I very much appreciate your car and the time, labor, resources, attention to detail and passion you have obviously put into it. I love being around it, looking it over, hearing it run and watching you drive it. But that doesn't mean I have any interest what-so-ever in driving it myself. Why should you restrict what kind of car someone else wants to drive just because you don't want to do it yourself? If someone were to…
Don, this is why vintage racing clubs, and others, have different classes. I very much appreciate your car and the time, labor, resources, attention to detail and passion you have obviously put into it. I love being around it, looking it over, hearing it run and watching you drive it. But that doesn't mean I have any interest what-so-ever in driving it myself. Why should you restrict what kind of car someone else wants to drive just because you don't want to do it yourself? If someone were to show up at a CVAR race with an ex Al Holbert Porsche 962 or the David Hobbs driven '82 Trans-Am champion Corvette, it would be the star of the weekend. Why would that not be a good thing? Many cars past 1972 have histories just as significant as those before '72. I think <i><b>not</b></i> allowing such cars to race is what is not in the best interest of the sport. IMHO, the 1972 cutoff is appr…tag:www.thevrl.com,2008-11-03:1465153:Comment:394332008-11-03T14:01:16.603ZDon Gwynnehttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/DonGwynne
IMHO, the 1972 cutoff is appropriate. I don't think a 25 year rolling cutoff is in the best interests of the vintage racing sport. Shortly after 1972, SCCA began allowing tube frame cars, fiberglass bodies, etc. that totally ruined it for me. Call me a Luddite, but I don't want to see these Franken-cars running at vintage events, ever.
IMHO, the 1972 cutoff is appropriate. I don't think a 25 year rolling cutoff is in the best interests of the vintage racing sport. Shortly after 1972, SCCA began allowing tube frame cars, fiberglass bodies, etc. that totally ruined it for me. Call me a Luddite, but I don't want to see these Franken-cars running at vintage events, ever. Yes, I think you have nailed…tag:www.thevrl.com,2008-11-01:1465153:Comment:392502008-11-01T18:59:46.618Z38Dhttps://www.thevrl.com/profile/38D
Yes, I think you have nailed it. While I find the earlier cars really cool, I don't really have much desire to own one. I guess that is because I never saw them race. Now a 917/30, if it wasn't so crazy dangerous, would sure be fun to own.
Yes, I think you have nailed it. While I find the earlier cars really cool, I don't really have much desire to own one. I guess that is because I never saw them race. Now a 917/30, if it wasn't so crazy dangerous, would sure be fun to own.